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ReportonGroupDiscussion:BookFiveandBookSixofRlic

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⚫Thediscussionhaslastedabout2hours

⚫Allmembersarepresentatthediscussion.

OnMondayEvening,weheredtodiscussaboutBookFiveandBookSixof

to’sRlic.Duringthediscussion,wefirstlyclarifiedthestructureandmainideas

ofeachbook,andthenwesharedsomequestionstodiscuss:First,intheBookFive,

Socratesclaimedthatbeingjustismoreprofitable.Butthisconclusiondependsonthe

premisethateveryonehasthevirtueofjustice.Whatifsomepeoplearejustandothers

areunjust?Second,sincecraftsmen,thethirdclassofthecityhavetherighttoown

privateproperties,whowilleffectivelyrulethem;also,sinceguardians,thefirstclass

ofthecitydon’thavetherighttoownprivateproperties,whowillsupporttheirdaily

fundamentalneeds?Inaddition,wesolvedsomeunsolvedquestionsposedinthe

previoustimeinthetwo-hourdiscussion.

InBookfive,Socratesmainlyelaboratedfourpoints.Thefirstoneislawsabout

womenandchildrenandthesecondoneisaviewthatjustmanishappierthanunjust

man.Concerningthethirdpoint,Socratesmainlytalkedabouttherutowards

enemiesanddifferentattitudestowardsGreeksandbarbarians.Andthefourthoneis

relatedtothewaytodistinguishphilosophersandphilodoxicalpeople.Thefirstpoint

consistsofthreesub-points.Thefirstsub-pointisthatwomenshouldgetthesame

educationasmen.Byusinganexamplethatnakedwomentakeactiveexercisesandan

analogyaboutthedifferencesweenbaldmenandlong-hairedmen,Socratesproved

thatmenandwomenonlyh